mourningfrost
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Post by mourningfrost on Mar 12, 2008 19:13:24 GMT 8
Hey guys. im back ;D
Well, tintin. All i gotta say to you. They will for sure LIKE you more than the other seniors, BUT, RESPECTING you, or even LISTENING to you is another thing. Let me use an example tony gave here. a gang is walking along. This guy suddenly comes out to you and touches your AHEM for no reason. They just watch. he keeps doing it, but they dont do anything. they just watch. You charge him for molestation, but the whole group gets it. Why? they did not attempt to try and help him out as a group to guide him on the right path. If one is lagging behind it just shows your teamwork isnt strong enough. That you have that "He die, he die alone" attitude. Your jrs will LIKE you, but certainly not RESPECT you. Once in awhile, disobedience MUST be punished. "Because im a nice senior, i wont punish you" "Because im a nice judge, im gna let you off for groping tintin" well. And let me bring about another point. Even though pumping is the MAIN form of punishment, it isnt always carried out as a punishment, nor is corporal punishment ALWAYS used, is it? Most of the time they shout out first, but you dont listen, thus the pumping. Hey, if they understand that one guys just trying to sabo the group, they pump that guy only (eventually when you all tired but he still goofs off cos he wants to). Ever wondered why?
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Tintin
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Post by Tintin on Mar 15, 2008 16:49:21 GMT 8
Ok to Tim: Yes I live in the mountains if thats what u say and luckily there are very little people there so Iam still alive. P.S do not talk offtopic about NP
to miney: Back on topic please and one supporter ina rugby match, I dont think that will ever happen. Be realistic please
to chestee: Thks for the welcome. Now, it would be better to punish that ass in my opinion rather than the whole group. That goon will then realise his mistake and stop it. As for the respect, they will respect me for my kindness ever heard of kindness earns respect
To Wesltw: Shut up and be on topic We are talking about cheering not building Singapore
To all of you: I have a question for you people. Is it right to punish people who have done absolutely nothing wrong? Answer it no offtopic please and straight to this question
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Post by Wesltw on Mar 15, 2008 18:02:13 GMT 8
To Tintin: We were talking about strength in numbers so it's not offtopic and why don't you respond to the strength in numbers thingy? So you can shut up and respond first
As for your question, yes and no. For example, you are a general at war, defending ur country. He makes a mistake, the enemy breaches the defence, you suffer. You get punished for your mistakes. Who gives a d*** whether its right or wrong.
Oh yeah and the question is also offtopic so...
And I will end this with: Cheering rox! Yay!
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mourningfrost
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Post by mourningfrost on Mar 15, 2008 18:37:12 GMT 8
Allow me to explain every single misunderstanding (apparently the whole thread)
Tintin : the topic was cheering. that qn was off topic too, so i dont rly think we need to bother about offtopic le, just debate with the flow.
Im just too d**ned lazy to type anything else, but as your reply to the qn
"Is it right to punish people who didnt do anything wrong?"
Oh youre sadly mistaken my little friend. Noone said you didnt do anything wrong. You're supposed to help your batch and excel at the same time. If one lags behind, dont cross legs and wait for him to be friggin murdered. go help. Thats why they want your team spirit and initiative. You know if one guy in the squad of 40 had bothered to spend 2 min explaining a simple drill to him, none of you would have to spend the next 5 min in pushup position. Well, thats why unless its PT, you dont see them running around "KNOCK IT DOWN" for no reason. The point here is that you guys are a GROUP. If you said you did nothing wrong, good luck to you. In a company, if any parts, be it financial or production or manpower lack by 50 % and the company close. Whose fault is it? Those who really dont understand and cant help it, or those who sit at home slacking while watching them. As a team, its your job to make sure everyones at the same pace. Cant do it? Too bad. I'd say its not "cant do it" but rather too lazy to. If you dont believe me, sabo the whole group 5 times in a row over a short period of time. eventually only YOU have to knock it down because the staff seargs know youre trying to hai the whole team. Its called black sheep
msm : And i cheer as loud as 5 prefects. Some people are naturally better and excel after training la. you prefects traiend to do it of course. Anyone screaming can scream as loud. Whats important is understanding
West : you know i think our metaphors aint gettin to old tintin. ahh well.
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Chestee
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Post by Chestee on Mar 17, 2008 20:51:34 GMT 8
Re Tin Tin: It's not that the guy is purposely trying to bring the group down, but usually its that the guy is d**n confused. Confused cause he did not learn it properly or is not too clear about it. So it is (refer to mouringfrost's point) technically the fault of the group that the guy did not do things properly. Re Frosty n Westlw: Next time you give anologies, please make it more... true and specific and clear cant you? Frosty you asked whose fault is it- Confused employees who work hard in their department or slackers who are just walking around? I got it that it is OBVIOUS that the slackers should be blamed, although i could not see what had it to do with the punishment as a group thing. Weslw you said that you, the general and the 'He' makes a mistake, and you get punished whether it is right or wrong... Punishment in war? Generals who lose battles are actually rarely punished for personnel errors, especially if 'he' is some random soldier, as the fault probalby lies on the training of the troops, which would be handed over to the training guy, and even then, you cannot blame that guy. And in war, you cannot really hand out punishment to a general for losing a war as he eithers get killed, captured, and if he manages to escape back to his side, he does not get any punishment. I understand how you try to anaologize strength in numbers with a building Singapore thing, but that really was too far offtopic as the debate over there was strength in numbers in term of punishment.
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mourningfrost
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Post by mourningfrost on Mar 17, 2008 21:40:37 GMT 8
My point is simply this. Even though you guys do your job, you dont even break a sweat. The other guy might not be so gifted at these stuff and you all cross legs waiting for him to get it right and dont help. Duh.
A Man Who Doesnt Use His Time Has No Advantage Over The Man Who Has None
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Tintin
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Post by Tintin on Mar 18, 2008 17:57:57 GMT 8
If we dont work as a team we can realise our own mistakes and correct them and by the time the team finishes the job, you have already finished it ages ago
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Post by Wesltw on Mar 18, 2008 17:59:44 GMT 8
=.= You are sprouting nonsense in your previous post, Tintin, as well as contidicting urself.
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Post by The 13i$cU1+ Mon$+3r on Mar 19, 2008 19:30:06 GMT 8
Pah! Tyndale OMG. OMG i hav been using OMG and PAh so many times liao they are my new pet words. From your previous address to me: The only reason why u have a better chance of survival up in the mountains is because you do not need 2 compete for that much Oxygen. Thats y mountain climbers use that phrase. But if u live there then all u will do is choke and die by yourself when u dont have oxygen tanks. Not to mention that your body gets frostbite and u die but dont rot. OMG(Once again) u said that if we work by oneself then we would realise our mistakes and be able to correct them faster. All right Tintin. Go pack of to the Moon with all your books and come back for the IB. See if Dr Ong gives us a holiday bcos of u. Obviously peer learning works for some but not all. Again a matter of preference. but if u are that against it go live in the mountains(see above) on a diet of snow and cheese or the moon (Cheese all over!!!)
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Tintin
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Post by Tintin on Mar 24, 2008 17:38:35 GMT 8
Please talk using formal language and not use OMG and PAH It makes you look like some old uneducated man who spits on the floor. My point is this In a UYO, one guy does things by himself. He is scolded when he does things wrong. However, he gets scolded less times when he is alone than when he is in a group. Reason: Somehow groups always commit more mistakes
And Wesley Iam not sprouting nonsense you piece of flower
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Chestee
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Post by Chestee on Mar 24, 2008 19:20:22 GMT 8
w8 ,w8 ,w8. in a UYO one guy does things by himself? Is that an example? Cause UYO should be called UY instead if its a one man show!!??!
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Post by The 13i$cU1+ Mon$+3r on Mar 24, 2008 19:27:55 GMT 8
LOL not only that(Im trying not 2 use pah! here)
The fact that foot drills instill discipline and teamwork cos the people doing the drills try to syncronise their movement so it looks like a complete robotic dance. If its just 1 guy then he will be getting it right all the time cos theirs no one else to stay in sync with.
HAHA speak formal language lol haha wth u wanme2speak 4mal eng? askkavita2talk2ular
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Post by webmaster on Mar 25, 2008 20:54:59 GMT 8
Please talk using formal language and not use OMG and PAH It makes you look like some old uneducated man who spits on the floor. My point is this In a UYO, one guy does things by himself. He is scolded when he does things wrong. However, he gets scolded less times when he is alone than when he is in a group. Reason: Somehow groups always commit more mistakes And Wesley Iam not sprouting nonsense you piece of flower Ok, nothing to do with the debate here. Just took notice of this post. Tintin, the formal language thing is WAY over. Please don't bring it up again. They have a right to use informal language. Lol. You piece of flower? Trying to bypass the rules a little? webmaster
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Post by Wesltw on Mar 25, 2008 21:37:17 GMT 8
Anyway, back on topic. Cheering spurs our teams on, thus making them motivated.
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Post by webmaster on Mar 26, 2008 22:55:17 GMT 8
Ok thats REALLY back ontopic. Like, that was the first post! Maybe we could try bringing up again from the last no-offtopic post here?
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